Women win by being bested by the man they love -- after a fair fight, of course! How can we give ourselves to one we look down upon? I have full confidence that the best man will win. I am counting on it, and beaming at the thought.
It would be quite interesting to explore the history of the Christian civilization and its affect on the males of our species. I will re-subscribe. May I humbly suggest that the following contrarian position is also considered, if briefly? Judging by the personalities and life histories of the founding fathers of the early Christendom, as well as the granular history of the events in the early Antiquity—from where I stand, it appears that not only was Christianity not feminizing but rather the exact opposite. Those early personalities and their followers were, for the most part, incels or homosexual males, some with serious personality disorders, and what often brought them together was either their intense aversion to the biology of a female body or an equally intense fear of sex. How else could one explain their proposition that a human child is born spiritually harmed simply by the fact of passing through the immensely and fundamentally “dirty” birth canal or that an intercourse with a woman is utterly abhorrent and soul damaging? Or that a marriage is an obstacle to leading a “pure" life. A World Without a Woman, by a Canadian historian, offers some of that alternative historical perspective.
Furthermore, perhaps someone can also discuss that the “conversion” to Christianity in western Europe—and, a millennium later, in Russia—was often brutal and violent and that the “pagans” in the countryside had fought it courageously and for centuries. Note, in particular, the Church’s savage, Taliban-like, persecution of the (mostly male) musicians and the destruction of the musical instruments. According to the surviving Russian chronicles and people’s memory, in the period from 13th to 18th centuries, in Novgorod, the literacy had dropped from the near 100% to zero . What could have been the effect? Thank you for the seminar.
All of this is true! (So far as my historical knowledge extends, which is not far). If early Christianity was decidedly male-centric, even misogynistic in some of its all-too-human expressions, at what point and by what developments did it become a religion of women? (One of the texts we will read establishes that, as a sociological matter, it is in fact heavily female in the Western confessions, as opposed to the Orthodox.) There is some fascinating history to get into here -- let's dive in!
Likewise fascinating is the process of conversion in the "Dark Ages" which, as you say, had many episodes of extraordinary brutality. Perhaps most shocking of all was Charlemagne's campaign to convert the Saxons. This seminar will not be a straightforward apologetic on behalf of Christianity, whether historical or theological. It will be a searching and critical effort to find our way toward a clear understanding. Welcome in. -Matt
I am only really interested in the Vitalism info. I've been exploring the use of Vitalism in the field of "alternative medicine."
As for the other stuff, dear Matthew, nothing of the essence really changed much since the Late Antiquity: the west's violence has been exported to west Asia*, Africa, central Europe; science, academia, fashion, military, medicine--all are still misogynous *homosocial networks: they cut our hair, deliver our babies, miseducate our kids, inject us with toxic drugs, design our clothes, tell us how to behave as a "normal" woman, how to properly walk in high heels and wiggle our behinds and love silky underwear. Unfortunately, the above has been interpreted to the "masses" as the works of the evil, pathological Left.
And I still can't figure out if you guys do truly believe the US Democrats are "Left" or is it all a massive propaganda ploy to further dismantle the last century's Labour's achievements.
*NB, the Israelis deliberately targeting fertile women and young children.
Yes, the Christian religion has struggled mightily with fecundity Helen as you rightly point out above---not so much the man Jesus though, born of woman naturally"an earth worm of babe" No earth worms, no dirt (soil) and thus what is vital for life is much reduced.
I am not sure what you mean, my friend. I wasn’t concerned with fecundity; my point was that our world and our cosmology are constituted and executed by the gay males. Who are not at all feminizing (tho some wish to become females). As for Jesus being an earth babe—obviously you see him as a real person, and I respect that very much—but I see him as a myth. An uber complex myth which was derived from a variety of *dissimilar sources present at the time in Iran, Levant, East Africa and even India. Those various pastoralist tribes who saw their Divine as a Shepherd. Some of the 3-4th century Greek writers (many of them being educated & privileged women, no doubt) constructed Jesus as a suffering, humble human babe. Fine, so he did emerge from a real vagina, but no part of his own body ever entered one for pleasure because his Hebrew authors belonged to the most extreme form of the messianic Judaism which forbade sex. --Cheers. (waiting to see if this post will be cancelled. haha)
In my mind, Jesus as “uber complex myth” and earth babe are comfortable, compatible characteristics for an “Anointed” one. As for the fecund beauty inherent in all life forms on earth, the birth canal is at the top of the list.
I'm in. I am overwhelmed by the details of our current semi-dystopia. Maybe this will fly higher and provide some perspective. So yes ... "Let's dance".
Thanks, Matt. Count me in! My wife and I are flying to Bahrain next month -- 20 hours on a plane -- and then back a month later -- another 20 hours. I'm now ditching some of the ebooks I was planning to bring along for our flights and stay and look forward to digging into (and thinking about) these readings and all the comments from you and your thoughtful gang of subscribers. FYI - here's a link to "The Genealogy of Morals": https://www.gutenberg.org/files/52319/52319-h/52319-h.htm
Thanks for that! Unfortunately that is a different translation than the one we are using, with different pagination. But there may be some here who can make use of it. Good luck in Bahrain!
Good morning, Matthew. Yes, seminar, please!
Is Christianity inherently feminizing... it depends on what you mean by feminine vitalism!
Let's dance, Crawford. XO
Oh, it's on. May the best man win.
Women win by being bested by the man they love -- after a fair fight, of course! How can we give ourselves to one we look down upon? I have full confidence that the best man will win. I am counting on it, and beaming at the thought.
Yesss, lets have more fights. We don't have enough.
“Christianity is inherently feminizing”
It would be quite interesting to explore the history of the Christian civilization and its affect on the males of our species. I will re-subscribe. May I humbly suggest that the following contrarian position is also considered, if briefly? Judging by the personalities and life histories of the founding fathers of the early Christendom, as well as the granular history of the events in the early Antiquity—from where I stand, it appears that not only was Christianity not feminizing but rather the exact opposite. Those early personalities and their followers were, for the most part, incels or homosexual males, some with serious personality disorders, and what often brought them together was either their intense aversion to the biology of a female body or an equally intense fear of sex. How else could one explain their proposition that a human child is born spiritually harmed simply by the fact of passing through the immensely and fundamentally “dirty” birth canal or that an intercourse with a woman is utterly abhorrent and soul damaging? Or that a marriage is an obstacle to leading a “pure" life. A World Without a Woman, by a Canadian historian, offers some of that alternative historical perspective.
Furthermore, perhaps someone can also discuss that the “conversion” to Christianity in western Europe—and, a millennium later, in Russia—was often brutal and violent and that the “pagans” in the countryside had fought it courageously and for centuries. Note, in particular, the Church’s savage, Taliban-like, persecution of the (mostly male) musicians and the destruction of the musical instruments. According to the surviving Russian chronicles and people’s memory, in the period from 13th to 18th centuries, in Novgorod, the literacy had dropped from the near 100% to zero . What could have been the effect? Thank you for the seminar.
All of this is true! (So far as my historical knowledge extends, which is not far). If early Christianity was decidedly male-centric, even misogynistic in some of its all-too-human expressions, at what point and by what developments did it become a religion of women? (One of the texts we will read establishes that, as a sociological matter, it is in fact heavily female in the Western confessions, as opposed to the Orthodox.) There is some fascinating history to get into here -- let's dive in!
Likewise fascinating is the process of conversion in the "Dark Ages" which, as you say, had many episodes of extraordinary brutality. Perhaps most shocking of all was Charlemagne's campaign to convert the Saxons. This seminar will not be a straightforward apologetic on behalf of Christianity, whether historical or theological. It will be a searching and critical effort to find our way toward a clear understanding. Welcome in. -Matt
I am only really interested in the Vitalism info. I've been exploring the use of Vitalism in the field of "alternative medicine."
As for the other stuff, dear Matthew, nothing of the essence really changed much since the Late Antiquity: the west's violence has been exported to west Asia*, Africa, central Europe; science, academia, fashion, military, medicine--all are still misogynous *homosocial networks: they cut our hair, deliver our babies, miseducate our kids, inject us with toxic drugs, design our clothes, tell us how to behave as a "normal" woman, how to properly walk in high heels and wiggle our behinds and love silky underwear. Unfortunately, the above has been interpreted to the "masses" as the works of the evil, pathological Left.
And I still can't figure out if you guys do truly believe the US Democrats are "Left" or is it all a massive propaganda ploy to further dismantle the last century's Labour's achievements.
*NB, the Israelis deliberately targeting fertile women and young children.
Yes, the Christian religion has struggled mightily with fecundity Helen as you rightly point out above---not so much the man Jesus though, born of woman naturally"an earth worm of babe" No earth worms, no dirt (soil) and thus what is vital for life is much reduced.
I am not sure what you mean, my friend. I wasn’t concerned with fecundity; my point was that our world and our cosmology are constituted and executed by the gay males. Who are not at all feminizing (tho some wish to become females). As for Jesus being an earth babe—obviously you see him as a real person, and I respect that very much—but I see him as a myth. An uber complex myth which was derived from a variety of *dissimilar sources present at the time in Iran, Levant, East Africa and even India. Those various pastoralist tribes who saw their Divine as a Shepherd. Some of the 3-4th century Greek writers (many of them being educated & privileged women, no doubt) constructed Jesus as a suffering, humble human babe. Fine, so he did emerge from a real vagina, but no part of his own body ever entered one for pleasure because his Hebrew authors belonged to the most extreme form of the messianic Judaism which forbade sex. --Cheers. (waiting to see if this post will be cancelled. haha)
In my mind, Jesus as “uber complex myth” and earth babe are comfortable, compatible characteristics for an “Anointed” one. As for the fecund beauty inherent in all life forms on earth, the birth canal is at the top of the list.
my way of reacting to what is false in the “feminizing” dimension (the eternal feminine) is to read and dialogue with Ernst Jünger.
SEMINAR PLEASE
Not sure how closely I’ll be able to track but this seems too good to not at least make the attempt.
I want in and hope to stay in all the way.
SEMINAR PLEASE.
I'm in. I am overwhelmed by the details of our current semi-dystopia. Maybe this will fly higher and provide some perspective. So yes ... "Let's dance".
Thanks, Matt. Count me in! My wife and I are flying to Bahrain next month -- 20 hours on a plane -- and then back a month later -- another 20 hours. I'm now ditching some of the ebooks I was planning to bring along for our flights and stay and look forward to digging into (and thinking about) these readings and all the comments from you and your thoughtful gang of subscribers. FYI - here's a link to "The Genealogy of Morals": https://www.gutenberg.org/files/52319/52319-h/52319-h.htm
Thanks for that! Unfortunately that is a different translation than the one we are using, with different pagination. But there may be some here who can make use of it. Good luck in Bahrain!
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And thank you, looking forward to it.
To echo others below, video recaps/recordings of the classes would be excellent.
I’m in Matt. Great selection of readings!
Glad to have you, Renaud!
Seminar please
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SEMINAR PLEASE! This looks great!
Seminar please
SEMINAR PLEASE
Seminar Please
Good afternoon! SEMINAR PLEASE! I'm a little late to the party, but I would like to participate as much as able.